In this episode Ward and Derek give an update on their Fitbit and general fitness endeavors. Derek also talks about his brief foray into the comic book store business. Ward and Derek also discuss their relationships with lofty ambition and how their reality based view on life keeps them planted in reality with just enough room to have hobbies. Ward shares with Derek an excerpt from John Travolta’s “Life on the Line.” They further delve into the careers of their Actor Rushmore, which believe it or not, is the same for both. It’s what we do.